ECM: Documentum – .NET
Watched Developing with Documentum in a .NET Environment [10959] today which you can also review here:
http://mylearn.documentum.com/mgrCourse/courseSummary.cfm?id_course=10959&id=194419
Other threads in the forum talk about how to get a login onto this site.
I chose it because we continue to have clients talking to us about leveraging ECM investments they have made more fully. Integrating them into the transactional systems where it makes sense. Some of those clients are MSFT focused (two actually).
Note this webcast is a bit dated (6/2004) but the keys I took away was:
1. Old School EMC wins. Documentum had a very robust model at the time (2004) for enabling integration from Visual Studio. Better than what I see today w/ Stellent.
2. New School … Webservices … ?. Documentum was working on (in 2004) webservices. They didn’t have as good as an answer as Stellent had then. However thier strategy is the same (java patterns gen’d to wsdl). I expect Stellent keeps this lead or they are at par at this time.
Not worth listening to directly … my notes should suffice. The speaker didn’t elaborate much from the slides and wasn’t very dynamic either.
Here are the notes.
Quote: |
EMC: Developing w/ Documentum in .NET……….○ NOTE GIVEN ON 6/24/04 — So might be dated. ……….○ ……….○ 2:00 — David Folk. Product Manager @ EMC for Documentum ……….○ 2:30 — MSFT Features Considered ………………..§ Support ………………..§ Scale ………………..§ Security ………………..§ API ………………..§ Migration (from MSFT or other platforms) ……….○ 4:00 — Goal is to be native in VS (plug ins, etc) ………………..§ Interop Assembly (Documentum Foundation Classes – DFC) ………………..§ Documentum ADO.NET Services (DAS) ………………..§ 7:30 — Best Practices and examples of .NET integration w/ Documentum is on developer site ………………..§ Business Object Framework ……….○ 8:45 — DFC Primary Interop Assembly (PIA) ………………..§ DFC = Documentum Foundation Class (the layer he is responsible for). Client API’s for accessing server. ………………..§ Java based API’s ………………..§ 100 interfaces about ………………..§ PIA allows seemless access from .NET of DFC ………………..§ Already had a COM library ………………..§ PIA uses COM code (bauer thought — overhead issue?) … layer 1 — DFV (Java), layer 2 — DFJB (COM) — layer 3 DFC PIE (.nET) …………………………□ Says there is no performance impacts from clients yet (bauer thought but PIA is new at this time) ………………..§ 14:00 – PIA .NET 1.1 based at this time …………………………□ Installed in global assembly cache …………………………□ IntelliSense and Object Browser support (bauer thought – sounds ‘simplier’ than Stellent) ………………..§ 17:00 – Full help support w/ intellisense (not the norm for other vendors) ………………..§ 17:30 – Object Browser – Full support. See interfaces in PIA. Methods per intfc. Online help. …………………………□ Without this you would have to translate the java doc ………………..§ 19:00 – Intfc upgrade can be separate (distinct policy file) ……….○ 19:20 – Data Access, .NET and Documentum ………………..§ Documentum ADO.NET Services (DAS) ………………..§ ADO.NET … supports disconnected and connected sessions ………………..§ If you are thinking Crystal Reports … ADO.NET can do more (as shown w/ EMC) ………………..§ ADO.NET is about getting access to data bound controls that can bind to a data structure (so EMC used that) ………………..§ Use widgets to interact with the data store (odbc, dfc, ado.net, jdbc, webDAV, ftp, file share, dfc) ………………..§ Performance (avoid layers mentioned above) … (bauer thought – I thought that wasn’t an issue [wink]) ………………..§ Use for Winforms, ASP.NET, and crystal ……….○ 25:30 – Arch of ADO.Net ………………..§ Shows how Documentum works through this …………………………□ Disconnected (data grid, listbox, combobox) — Data View, Data Table, XML, Data Set, Data Adapter, Connection. …………………………□ Connected — Data Reader, Command, Connection ………………..§ 28:00 – Standard Interfaces of ADO are supported ………………..§ Meta data access simplified here (via DAS) ……….○ 31:10 – ………………..§ ADO.NET will be foundation for reporting services (vs ODBC) ………………..§ Could speed up webpart development ……….○ 32:39 – Static Demo of DAS integration in VS. ………………..§ DocBase command ………………..§ 10 step process walked through ……….○ 35:00 – DAS is a value add (pay extra) product from Documentum ………………..§ Could do DAS functions w/ DFC … just makes it easier ……….○ 36:30 – Other products ………………..§ Webservices infrastructure for accessing business objects ………………..§ Release 5.3 planned – provide patterns implemented in java. Documentum provides tools to register that w/ a run time. (bauer comment — So it’s a wizard–similar to stellent) ………………..§ Important (even w/ java -> wizard -> wsdl) since webservices become the norm ………………..§ Longer term looking to show a library of webservices (versus having to gen from pattersn now). Acknowledge extending webservices will be very complex. ……….○ 41:00 – Looking ahead – Support ………………..§ O12 – xml, research pane, smart docs ………………..§ Webparts ………………..§ Smart clients (avalon) ………………..§ WinFS ………………..§ Yukon ……….○ 43:30 – Resources ………………..§ Developer site – http://customernet.documentum.com/developer/dotNET.html ………………..§ Disc Forums – http://forums.documentum.com/jive3/index.jspa ………………..§ Dev News – http://customernet.documentum.com/developer/newsletters/newsletter0104.htm ……….○ 44:00 Q&A ………………..§ David Robertson – Petro Canada – Liscensing. EMC: Developing w/ Documentum in .NET ……….○ NOTE GIVEN ON 6/24/04 — So might be dated. |
ECM: Documentum – .NET (2)
Watched Developing with Documentum in a .NET Environment [10959] today which you can also review here:
http://mylearn.documentum.com/mgrCourse/courseSummary.cfm?id_course=10959&id=194419
Other threads in the forum talk about how to get a login onto this site.
I chose it because we continue to have clients talking to us about leveraging ECM investments they have made more fully. Integrating them into the transactional systems where it makes sense. Some of those clients are MSFT focused (two actually).
Note this webcast is a bit dated (6/2004) but the keys I took away was:
1. Old School EMC wins. Documentum had a very robust model at the time (2004) for enabling integration from Visual Studio. Better than what I see today w/ Stellent.
2. New School … Webservices … ?. Documentum was working on (in 2004) webservices. They didn’t have as good as an answer as Stellent had then. However thier strategy is the same (java patterns gen’d to wsdl). I expect Stellent keeps this lead or they are at par at this time.
Not worth listening to directly … my notes should suffice. The speaker didn’t elaborate much from the slides and wasn’t very dynamic either.
Here are the notes.
Quote: |
EMC: Developing w/ Documentum in .NET……….○ NOTE GIVEN ON 6/24/04 — So might be dated. ……….○ ……….○ 2:00 — David Folk. Product Manager @ EMC for Documentum ……….○ 2:30 — MSFT Features Considered ………………..§ Support ………………..§ Scale ………………..§ Security ………………..§ API ………………..§ Migration (from MSFT or other platforms) ……….○ 4:00 — Goal is to be native in VS (plug ins, etc) ………………..§ Interop Assembly (Documentum Foundation Classes – DFC) ………………..§ Documentum ADO.NET Services (DAS) ………………..§ 7:30 — Best Practices and examples of .NET integration w/ Documentum is on developer site ………………..§ Business Object Framework ……….○ 8:45 — DFC Primary Interop Assembly (PIA) ………………..§ DFC = Documentum Foundation Class (the layer he is responsible for). Client API’s for accessing server. ………………..§ Java based API’s ………………..§ 100 interfaces about ………………..§ PIA allows seemless access from .NET of DFC ………………..§ Already had a COM library ………………..§ PIA uses COM code (bauer thought — overhead issue?) … layer 1 — DFV (Java), layer 2 — DFJB (COM) — layer 3 DFC PIE (.nET) …………………………□ Says there is no performance impacts from clients yet (bauer thought but PIA is new at this time) ………………..§ 14:00 – PIA .NET 1.1 based at this time …………………………□ Installed in global assembly cache …………………………□ IntelliSense and Object Browser support (bauer thought – sounds ‘simplier’ than Stellent) ………………..§ 17:00 – Full help support w/ intellisense (not the norm for other vendors) ………………..§ 17:30 – Object Browser – Full support. See interfaces in PIA. Methods per intfc. Online help. …………………………□ Without this you would have to translate the java doc ………………..§ 19:00 – Intfc upgrade can be separate (distinct policy file) ……….○ 19:20 – Data Access, .NET and Documentum ………………..§ Documentum ADO.NET Services (DAS) ………………..§ ADO.NET … supports disconnected and connected sessions ………………..§ If you are thinking Crystal Reports … ADO.NET can do more (as shown w/ EMC) ………………..§ ADO.NET is about getting access to data bound controls that can bind to a data structure (so EMC used that) ………………..§ Use widgets to interact with the data store (odbc, dfc, ado.net, jdbc, webDAV, ftp, file share, dfc) ………………..§ Performance (avoid layers mentioned above) … (bauer thought – I thought that wasn’t an issue [wink]) ………………..§ Use for Winforms, ASP.NET, and crystal ……….○ 25:30 – Arch of ADO.Net ………………..§ Shows how Documentum works through this …………………………□ Disconnected (data grid, listbox, combobox) — Data View, Data Table, XML, Data Set, Data Adapter, Connection. …………………………□ Connected — Data Reader, Command, Connection ………………..§ 28:00 – Standard Interfaces of ADO are supported ………………..§ Meta data access simplified here (via DAS) ……….○ 31:10 – ………………..§ ADO.NET will be foundation for reporting services (vs ODBC) ………………..§ Could speed up webpart development ……….○ 32:39 – Static Demo of DAS integration in VS. ………………..§ DocBase command ………………..§ 10 step process walked through ……….○ 35:00 – DAS is a value add (pay extra) product from Documentum ………………..§ Could do DAS functions w/ DFC … just makes it easier ……….○ 36:30 – Other products ………………..§ Webservices infrastructure for accessing business objects ………………..§ Release 5.3 planned – provide patterns implemented in java. Documentum provides tools to register that w/ a run time. (bauer comment — So it’s a wizard–similar to stellent) ………………..§ Important (even w/ java -> wizard -> wsdl) since webservices become the norm ………………..§ Longer term looking to show a library of webservices (versus having to gen from pattersn now). Acknowledge extending webservices will be very complex. ……….○ 41:00 – Looking ahead – Support ………………..§ O12 – xml, research pane, smart docs ………………..§ Webparts ………………..§ Smart clients (avalon) ………………..§ WinFS ………………..§ Yukon ……….○ 43:30 – Resources ………………..§ Developer site – http://customernet.documentum.com/developer/dotNET.html ………………..§ Disc Forums – http://forums.documentum.com/jive3/index.jspa ………………..§ Dev News – http://customernet.documentum.com/developer/newsletters/newsletter0104.htm ……….○ 44:00 Q&A ………………..§ David Robertson – Petro Canada – Liscensing. EMC: Developing w/ Documentum in .NET ……….○ NOTE GIVEN ON 6/24/04 — So might be dated. |
ECM: Documentum – Imaging
Digging around in EMC’s ‘myLearn’ site this morning. Decided to watch this webcast around BPM and Imaging given the ongoing activity in pipeline around process automation. You find it by loggin in here:
searching for “BPM and Imaging – KOPC 2006”. FYI, search the forums for instructions on how to get a working login
At 10,000 feet the core message I heard was:
Quote: |
1. Nice Overview of an ECM solution 7 minutes in. Wove via four areas. We should leverage similar in position of any ECM (Sharepoint, NW, Stellent, Documentum). 2. Excellent example of collaboration integration to thier business process automation efforts 31 minutes in. In short they create workflow steps that create a collobration space (eRoom in thier lingo) that has defined activities that need to be completed at which point the collaboration room rengages the workflow and archives itself into the process with the other docs being manipulated. |
Here are my detail notes:
Quote: |
• BPM and Imaging – KOPC 2006
Pasted from <http://mylearn.documentum.com/mgrCourse/launchCourse.cfm?id_registrant=193270&id_host=325&id_course=18973> • Solution: Document and Image Processing |
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